Post Series
0: Intro
1: Narrative Question
2: Authority Question
3: God Question
4: Jesus Question
5: Gospel Question
Theological Foundation Recap
6: Church Question
7: Sex Question
8: Future Question
9: Pluralism Question
10: What-Do-We-Do-Now Question
11: Final Thoughts
After insisting that a new kind of Christianity demands a new reading of the biblical narrative, Brian McLaren argues for a new approach to the Bible, because as he argues, “we’ve gotten ourselves into a mess with the Bible.” (68). We are in trouble in three main ways:
- Scientific—”Fundamentalism again and again paints itself into a corner by requiring that the Bible be treated as a divinely dictated science textbook providing us true information in all areas of life, including when and how the earth was created, what the shape of the earth is, what revolves around what in space, and so on…This approach has set up Christians on the wrong side of truth again and again, from Galileo’s time, to Darwin’s, to our own.” (68)
- Ethical—”The Bible, when taken as an ethical rule book, offer us no clear categories for many of our most significant and vexing socioethical quandaries. We find no explicit mention, for example, of abortion…human rights…sexual orientation…global climate change…genetic engineering (among others). If we must steer our ship by wrestling biblical passages to bear on these issues in a simple “though shalt not,” way we will find ourselves stuck precisely where we are stuck now, and largely paralyzed in solving major life-and-death-of-the-planet issues and largely obsesses with narrow hot-button feuds that feuds…” (69)
- Peace—”Many of us are afraid that the Bible is becoming a box cutter or a suitcase bomb in the hands of too many preachers, pastors, priests, and others. When careless preachers use the Bible as a club or sword to dominate or wound, they discredit the Bible in a way that no skeptic can.” He uses the the examples of pastors pulling verses to justify the preemptive strike against Iraq, declares you could “probably turn on a Christian radio broadcast today and hear a preacher deny human rights to Palestinians on…’biblical grounds,'” and trots out the example of “how the Bible was used by the defenders of slavery in contrast with the promoters of abolition” in Western Europe in general and American in particular.” (69-70)
In light of this “triplet of troubles” “we must find new approaches to our sacred texts (Interestingly, he doesn’t particularly identify the Holy Scriptures here, but generalizes it to, perhaps, include other “sacred texts,” like the Koran?)…” (70) In the end, “this habitual, conventional way of reading and interpreting the Bible that allowed slavery, anti-semetism, apartheid, chauvinism, environmental plundering, prejudice against gay people, and other injustices to be legitimized and defended for so long…we still use the Bible in the same way to defend any number of other things that have not yet been fully discredited, but soon may be.” (76)
And what exactly is “this habitual, conventional way of reading and interpreting the Bible”? Reading the Bible as a legal constitution. This constitutional approach, used “especially in conservative settings,” is defined as: “looking for precedents in past cases of interpretation, sometimes favoring older interpretations as precedents;” arguing “framers’ intent” (or author’s intent in biblical hermeneutics terminology); approaching the biblical text “as if it were an annotated code.” (78-79)
Instead, we need to see the Bible as it actually is: “a portable library of poems, prophets, histories, fables and parables, letters, sage sayings, quarrels, and so on…it’s the library of a culture and community—the culture and community of people who trace their history back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The biblical library is a carefully selected group of documents of paramount importance for people who want to understand and belong to the community of people who seek God and, in particular, the God of Abraham, Moses, David, the prophets, and Jesus.” (emphasis mine. 79, 81)
At this point, I want to ask Brian these questions:
- Is the Holy Scripture authoritative for defining how we are to relate to God and others?
- Is the Holy Scripture God’s Textual act of Divine self-disclosure?
- Are there other texts through which God reveals Himself?
- Is the Holy Scripture Christocentric? Meaning: Does not the whole of the Holy Scripture center exclusively on Jesus Christ, rather than simply “the God of Abraham, Moses, David, the prophets, and Jesus.”
Let’s see how Brian answers these questions:
“The biblical library has a unique role in the life of the community of faith, resourcing, challenging, and guiding the community of faith in ways that no other texts can. It is uniquely valuable to teach, reprove, correct, train, and equip us for love and good works, as the apostle Paul says. It provides a kind of encouragement that is central and unique to the community of Christian faith.” (emphasis mine. 83)
He then goes on to acknowledge that Plato, Muhammed, and the Buddah “all say interesting and brilliant and inspiring things,” and he can “learn a lot from their words,” as much as from Clement, Luther, Calvin, Borg and Crossan. “But to say that God inspired the Bible is to say that, for the community of people who seek to be part of the tradition of Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebekah, Jacob, Moses, Ruth, David, Amos, John, Mary, and Jesus, the Bible has a unique and unparalleled role that none of these other voices can claim.” (83)
OK, Brian, but why does it simply have a unique role? And why does it have a central and unique role only for the Christian faith? Why isn’t the Holy Scripture the sole textual authority for the entire world?
Brian cannot (bring himself to) say that the Bible is inspired by God and is the sole textual point of God’s divine self-disclosure, only that it has “a unique and unparalleled role.” He also cannot say the Bible is for the entire world, but only for the “community of Christian faith.” Somehow, God “breaths life into the Bible, and through it into the ‘community of faith’ and its members, and into my soul,” without even explaining what this even means. While it sounds nice, it makes no sense. How does God do this? What is he “breathing?” Is He Himself even saying anything? This leads to a more important, fundamental question: Is God Himself revealed through the Bible itself?
Unfortunately, according to Brian, no. “This inspired library preserves, presents, and inspires an ongoing vigorous conversation with and about God, a living and vital civil argument into which we are all invited and through which God is revealed.” (83) The Living God then is not reveal through the Holy Scripture, but simply the “ongoing vigorous conversation” and “vital civl argument.” He says this very thing when he argues against reading the Bible in away that says “God’s message is supposed to be found in the plain words of the biblical text:”
“revelation occurs not in the words and statements of individuals, but in the conversation among individuals and God. It happens in conversations and arguments that take place within and among communities of people who share the same essential questions across generations. Revelation accumulates in the relationships, interactions, and interplay between statements.” (91-92)
Pay attention to what Brian has said here: McLaren believes revelation is about human conversation about God, rather than God Himself revealing Himself to humanity. He says that in the Hebrew Scriptures “we have so many voices, and voices of different kinds…in the Christian Scriptures we have several gospels…and we have many other voices as well.” In an effort to push this conversational framing of the Text, he uses the Book of Job as a rhetorical device, wondering aloud, “Could Job be a fractal of the whole Bible, then: many voices arguing, debating, stating, and counterstating, asking and answering?” He goes on to say, “Could it be that God’s Word intends not to give us easy answers and shortcuts to confidence and authority, but rather to reduce us, again and again, to a posture of wonder, humility, rebuke, and smallness in the face of the unknown?” (93)
While the Holy Scripture certainly does not give easy answers and does leave us in speechless wonder, Brian completely dismisses how the Church has views God’s revelation for centuries: God is not unknown and has deliberately disclosed Himself to humanity; God Himself is deliberately speaking to us through the Text. The Bible is not simply a conversation among many different voices, but one Voice speaking to us in a variety of ways. I do agree with Brian that the Bible is unlike any other book: it is a very diverse body of genres and voices through which God is speaking. Far from being simply a “record of a vibrant conversation, and a stimulus to ongoing conversation,” however, it contains the voice of God itself as He has chosen to speak to us about Himself.
Though it will become far more apparent in the next question—at which point Brian blatantly says that “the Bible is an ongoing conversation about the character of God“—let’s be clear: from the looks of it, according to Brian the Bible neither contains the real voice of God, but rather the voices of individuals speaking about God, nor is it a real, single authority for understanding God properly, since it is merely an evolving conversation about Him in which varying people give varying perspectives.
The greatest travesty of Brian’s perspective is this line on page 81:
It’s the library of a culture and community—the culture and community of people who trace their history back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The biblical library is a carefully selected group of documents of paramount importance for people who want to understand and belong to the community of people who seek God and, in particular, the God of Abraham, Moses, David, the prophets, and Jesus.
Here Brian reduces the Christian faith to one among three who, “trace their history back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” Furthermore, somehow Brian reduces the Church simply to a pluralistic “community of people who seek God, in particular, the God of Abraham, Moses, David, the prophets, and Jesus.” The problem with his logic is that for Brian the Bible is really all about God, not Jesus Christ.
Like the biblical narrative itself, which he fails to exclusively root in Jesus Christ, Brian refuses to root the Bible’s self-disclosure of God in Him, too. According to Brian, the “community of people who seek God” in the Bible apparently are not seeking it in Jesus Christ alone, but rather simply the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This allows Brian to include Jews and Muslims in his “community of people” tent of those seeking God.
Unfortunately for Brian, the Christian faith has insisted for generations that the God found in the biblical text is not simply “the God of Abraham, Moses, David, the prophets, and Jesus.” The God found in the Bible is Jesus; Jesus Christ is the God of the Holy Scripture around whom the Text itself pivots. And unless someone acknowledges this, they really are not seeking after the one true God.
The one true God has supremely revealed Himself in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ. Therefore, neither the knowledge nor revelation of God can be divorced from the knowledge and revelation of Jesus Christ. Indeed knowledge of Jesus Christ is the ultimate, only access to the knowledge and revelation of God. Why doesn’t Brian acknowledge this? Why does he divorce the authority of the Text and revelation of God found in it from Jesus Christ Himself? Why does he not simply say, “The Bible reveals God, in the person of Jesus Christ”?
So far, it is apparent that for Brian the Story and Revelation of God is not really about Jesus Christ, but about a generic, vanilla World-Spirit god. This will become far more apparent when Brian discusses God Himself in question 3, The God Question. Using the question, “Is God violent?” McLaren reveals his belief that the Bible progressively reveals an evolved understanding of God, rather than God Himself. This view ultimately cashes out in the person of Jesus, who is simply an evolved likeness and revelation of the character of God, rather than God Himself.













Thank you for taking the time to carefully and thoughtfully engage this book….
I am appreciating your series…. and thinking.
All's grace,
Ann
You're welcome! And thanks for your encouraging words. Much appreciated, Ann 🙂
-jeremy
This should've been a blurb on the back….
"While it sounds nice, it makes no sense."
" Indeed knowledge of Jesus Christ is the ultimate, only access to the knowledge and revelation of God."
So was there no revelation of God at all contained in the Hebrew Scriptures, before Jesus Christ was born? If the person of Jesus is the "only" access to the knowledge and revelation of God, does creation not reveal him at all? Or does the Old Testament and creation point to Jesus, without acknowledging the name and person in an exact fashion? I feel like you're pitting things against one another that really aren't supposed to be separated, or aren't in competition.
"This allows Brian to include Jews and Muslims in his “community of people” tent of those seeking God."
Are you really comfortable saying that no Jew or Muslim is actually seeking after God?
Greg,
The Church has read the entire Holy Scriptures Christologically for centuries. Obviously Romans makes clear that creation points to a Creator…this is General Revelation in theological parlance. The Holy Scriptures themselves are a Textual form through which God has revealed Himself. The incarnation is the ultimate revelation of God. The Scriptures themselves point to this.
In re: to Jews and Muslims I am comfortable saying this. Since both deny Jesus Christ is God and therefore refuse to worship Him as Lord and Messiah, how exactly are they worshiping God? I "get" how un-PC that is of me to say such a thing…but I cannot reconcile the revelation of the Holy Scripture that Jesus is God, God is Jesus with claims of worshiping God outside of Jesus Christ.
"The problem with his logic is that for Brian the Bible is really all about God, not Jesus Christ."
Isn't Jesus Christ God? So if the Bible is really all about God for Brian, isn't it really all about Jesus? And if it's really all about Jesus, isn't it also really all about God? Why do you keep separating these things?
Furthermore, Brian interacts at length with the Book of Job and the example of slavery in this section. Are you going to be doing the same? Saying "the Bible reveals God in the person of Jesus Christ" sounds nice, but as Brian goes into at length, it's not enough. "The Bible says …" method of interpretation is a gigantic failure, and has landed us in a world of problems. Do you have another method you'd prefer?
"Isn't Jesus Christ God? So if the Bible is really all about God for Brian, isn't it really all about Jesus? And if it's really all about Jesus, isn't it also really all about God? Why do you keep separating these things?"
I don't think distinctions are invalid or unwarranted separations. There is a generic, nonspecific understanding of God, and there is the highly particularized understanding of God inherent in Christian thought (or Muslim, or Sikh, or Buddhist, etc, thought). I have only read a couple of chapters of Brian's book, but it really does look like he is trying to move away from a Christocentric understanding of God towards a more open/inclusive concept. Christ alienates both the Muslim and the Jew, as Jeremy has pointed out, and it seems like Brian is trying to avoid that conflict. On its surface, that impulse is a good thing and by itself would not make for a particularly alarming statement. But taken in context with the whole of Brian's work, it seems that it has strayed beyond merely trying to not offend, and straight into an evolution of his understanding of God that denies the exclusivity of Christ. So when Brian speaks of "God", he isn't speaking about the Triune God of the Bible, but some generic pan-deity. Its the least common denominator of god.
"'The Bible says …' method of interpretation is a gigantic failure, and has landed us in a world of problems. Do you have another method you'd prefer?"
So the Brian or Greg or Nathan or Jeremy says method of invention is somehow superior? First, Brian is interpreting the Bible. He is absolutely saying "the Bible says", just cherry-picking verses and reinterpreting others. If there is a problem with merely interpreting the Bible, than Brian's hermeneutic is just as bad. Second, I'd challenge your claim that this method is a gigantic failure. Failure in what way? I would argue that its a pretty mixed bag of successes and failures, but that doesn't negate returning to the Bible again and again for insight, guidance and inspiration. The failures, if they can truly be characterized as such, are more due to people failing to reexamine the text in prayer in light of their current context. Are the answers we come up with today supposed to be identical to those in the past? No, but that is not due to a novel interpretation, such as Brian suggests. Rather, I consider it a dynamic process of building on the old answers and not denying the wisdom of the faithful who have come before us. The problem I have with Brian is not that he operates from a bad impulse or that he is seeking answers to the wrong questions, but that he is thinking he can come up with the answers on his own, without the community of faith that has shaped and blessed him.
Greg, I keep separating these things because BRIAN does. I do not see anywhere in this book, now on my second read, where Brian says Jesus Christ is God and that God is revealed exclusively through Jesus Christ. He doesn't. Anywhere. That's a problem! This is why he continually uses the terms "community of faith" and "people devoted to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" because he wants to frame God as the God of EVERYONE. If He is exclusively revealed in Jesus Christ, then Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Sikhs and others who deny Jesus Christ as Lord and Messiah are not really worshiping God Himself, but a false God.
That's why I am so disturbed by this trend that people like Brian and Samir are authoring and perpetuating…
But up above you just said God can be revealed through general revelation! And in the Hebrew Scriptures, written before Jesus. So when you say God is "exclusively" revealed through Jesus, are you referring to a larger, cosmic Christ or the historical person? And if it is the larger, cosmic Christ that one can find in other people, in creation, in art or poetry or music, then why couldn't someone currently practicing another faith tradition not have an at least partial understanding of God (which is through Jesus, although they wouldn't actually know the name of the one who was being revealed through their experiences)? And isn't a partial understanding of God really all any of us have?
Jeremy – In fairness to Brian, he's a writer with imagination, and he is asking questions that most theologians of the past hundred or more years haven't really jumped into considering. He also makes it clear in his preface and "A Prayer on the Beach" that he is committed to the historic Christian faith.
While you don't appreciate where he goes with his questions, his intention is to ask difficult questions in order to help the church become what it is meat to be/become. He says as much in the beginning chapters as well. We can argue where the questions take him. Perhaps they are not the best final answers, but neither does he claim as much. He's asking for more thoughtfulness, more pondering, more struggling with the biblical text than he's experienced by the evangelical church in America.
It strikes me that George Barna asked difficult questions of the church in North America for more than a decade until he gave up out of frustration. He gave up believing there was enough will to make changes in the church. At that point he became controversial for his conclusion.
Randy, simply put: you're wrong. His intention no where stops at simply asking "difficult questions in order to help the church become what it is meat to be/become." His intent is to offer answers, alternative answers to the historic Christian faith he claims to hold. He pits these alternatives as better and more believable than those from conservative evangelicalism. He denies original sin, reduces the Bible to conversations on our understanding of God rather than God's actual revelation to humanity, refuses to say that Jesus is God Himself rather than simply our "most mature understanding of God," refuses to root the Kingdom of God in Jesus Christ himself, butchers John 14:6 in order to serve his agenda of pluralizing God and the "Abrahamic faiths."
Randy, there is nothing Christian about this book. I'd love for you to explain to me where I am wrong…
But what if we think of original sin differently than we have in the past? What if it's about broken relationship with God more than what particular offense we committed yesterday? What if our theology made more sense by rethinking how we interact with the biblical text and the narrative of God with his people?
While I believe we are all sinful and have fallen short of the glory of God, the idea of original sin as we've held it, has its issues. What if we reimagined that our brokenness from God could be better understood with better theology?
What if we believed the biblical text continues to reveal itself so we understand it better today than previous generations? What if we've missed some of the story for the past two thousand years?
In reality, we can look to plenty of places where both orthodoxy and orthopraxis over the past two thousand years didnt' measure up to the biblical text. The church has corrected many of it's errors. In the midst of defending those errors though, it also burned Jesus loving people at the stake, beheaded them, and tortured their women and children all while claiming heresy.
Fortunately, the church has also learned, over time, that some of our beliefs are not yet fully developed/understood. If we simply look at the doctrine of the Trinity, we realize the disciples didn't understand the relationship between Father, Son, Spirit that the church understands today.
Without people standing in the way of the tradition, the church fails to rethink itself. Without people like Brian, the church continues to move through history without the need to seriously consider either its orthodoxy or orthopraxis.
While I don't agree with everything Brian writes, I deeply appreciate his willingness to challenge the position of the evangelical church in America. Perhaps his efforts, along with others, will lead to a church that better displays the fruits of the Spirit. As I believe that the Spirit will never leave the church, it is my belief that God's intentions (including Jesus Christ) are squarely in the heart of Brian.
McLaren just responded to a number of the issues you raised here:
http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/a-new-k…
Money quote: "Nowhere in Chapters 8 and 9 (or anywhere else) do I say the Bible is just the community of faith conversing – all human and no divine. I say God self-reveals through human conversations about God and life."