I wrote this piece at the beginning of my faith-deconstruction faze. I had been wrestling with the fundamentals of my faith for a few months when I read this story in the Washington Post. For me, this story get’s to the heart of the gospel and what it means to “be a Christian”: Is it enough to pray a prayer, or is there more to Christian spirituality than mantras? Is “being a Christian” about saying a prayer and escaping hell, or is it broader and deeper than that? I hope this re-posted piece will spark some thoughts in your mind about people who identify themselves with Jesus and the live heinously or do acts of un-love toward their neighbors.
What will happen to Edgar Ray Killen? I mean post death, as in what will happen to Edgar Ray Killen in eternity? Will he go to hell for his crimes, or might he still have an address in heaven, a small pup-tent though it may be? Who is Mr. Killen and why do I ask (or care)? Former Ku Klux Klansman Edgar Ray Killen was convicted Tuesday, June 21 2005 of the 1964 “Freedom Summer” killings of James Chaney, 21, Andrew Goodman, 20, and Michael Schwerner, 24. The victims-one black and two Jewish-were beaten and shot by a gang of Klansmen, and their bodies were found 44 days later buried in a red-clay dam. Witnesses said Killen rounded up carloads of Klansmen to intercept the three men and helped arrange for a bulldozer to bury the bodies. The killings made headlines across the country, exposed the depth of Southern resistance to integration, and helped speed passage of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964; the case was dramatized in the 1988 movie “Mississippi Burning.”At the age of 80, Mr. Killen was sentenced Thursday to serve three consecutive twenty year sentences and will not be eligible for parole until twenty years into his 60 year sentence.
“OK,” you may wonder, “an ex-KKK member was rightly convicted of racial mayhem. Justice was served, so why should I care who he is or where he is going to spend eternity? Surely a pup-tent in heaven is not his eternal address, but the licking flames of hell!” Well, I’d agree accept for two pesky words: Baptist Preacher.
You see, Edgar was (I’ll assume the Baptists somehow revoked his preachers certificate!) an ordained Baptist preacher in Neshoba County, Mississippi. He pastored several churches in this sleepy Mississippi county for nearly fifty years. Look at these words from “The Preacher” about a possible last minute repentance by segregationist and former Mississippi Governor Kirk Fordice :
God accepts all who repent. God will not accept you, unless you accept Him through Jesus Christ. You have to repent, ask God and get right with God. God will not force you to ask Him. You must ask Him of your own free-will. He’s standing with outstretched arms and saying, “Come home, through faith.” If Fordice had asked for forgiveness, the blood of Christ would have washed his sins away. Olivier will have to account for missing a great opportunity.
So clearly, Mr. Killen believes in “salvation by grace through faith” and trusts in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross as an atoning sacrifice for his sins. Certainly, this was true before Edgar was ordained as Baptist preacher, during his racially motivated blood-lust rage, and even now as he faces the prospects of dying in a cinderblock cell.
But perhaps he repented, perhaps he confessed his sins of three murders and received God’s faithful forgiveness. Perhaps, but read this account in the Washington Post:
On Thursday, Killen wore a big gap-toothed grin as he was brought into court in the wheelchair he has used since he broke his legs in a logging accident in March. He was not breathing through an oxygen tube, the way he was when the verdict was read.
The judge asked Killen if he had anything to say.
“None, your honor,” he said.
Hood said Killen has expressed no remorse.
“I know at some point he’ll get to that realization, you don’t get to heaven unless you admit what you’ve done and ask for forgiveness,” Hood said.
And yet the same was said by Killen of Gov. Fordice in September, 2004 after he died of leukemia. So I wonder what God will do with this man. You may think it is just silly for me to dwell on this, but I wonder the same for our friend Pastor Fred Phelps, famous for his “God hates fags!” placards at gay parades and hotspots throughout the country (in fact, the website for the The Westboro Baptist Church home page-the church he pastors-is www.godhatesfags.com!).
It matters a great deal to me to know the character of God, and I think questions about what he will do with two “pastors” who murder and hate-two sides of the same coin, really-reveal this character. Are they “in” simply because they prayed the sinners prayer? Are they “in” because they are pastors? Certainly, Jesus’ “depart from me, for I never knew you” words are instructive, but I wonder who is closer to Hell: the preacher who speaks words of hatred and venomous anger toward those enslaved by the homosexual lifestyle, or the one who struggles with issues of sexual identity. And if the whole “eternal security” thing is real (which I think it is, by the way), then what does that mean for these “Christians” who clearly are enslaved by sin?
Anyway, these general thoughts have percolated in my mind ever since learning of Mr. Phelps, and boiled over after reading the heinous crimes of this other “preacher”. I intend to post some more thoughts on sin, judgment, and eternity soon, but this should get the conversation started…
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This is very interesting….especially since I attended a ladies camp over the weekend, where we spoke about salvation etc. Anyway, the question I want to ask is, even though these men where pastors, and thus teachers of the Word….wouldn’t they be guilty of turning their backs on God? Sort of like Judas and Peter. Judas betrayed Jesus and had him killed..and didn’t confess his sin, but Peter repented for having denied Christ. As far as I’ve heard, God doesn’t differentiate between sins, whether it be murder, or stealing a sweet from your local store…sin is sin, but as long as you repent wholeheartedly, He will forgive you. Basically, I think that, if these gentlemen ask for forgiveness and are truly repentant of what they have done, God will forgive them, regardlees of what they did.
Jeremy,
This is a tough essay. I think that a genuine embrace of the gospel of Jesus Christ integrates and reconciles our own internal comparmentalizations (our lack of ‘shalom’). To be a “Christian”—even a baptist minister—in one compartment and a murdering racist in another in something that gospel transformation does not even recognize. There is such a thing as cultural Christianity and the South (the KKK) exemplify it.
Hey folks,
Thanks for commenting! And sorry for a bit of angst 🙂 This was written a little more than 3 years ago in the midst of my disillusionment and cynicism with many explainations and definitions within the church. One of those at the time (and still is to a degree) of what it “takes” to “be a Christian”.
Arkwife (from Africa??) I love your thoughts on forgiveness and confession. I am constantly blown away and humbled by God’s own grace toward me and my own sin. But (if it helps to expand some of my original thoughts, from what I remember!) what do you do with someone like this who at one point claimed Jesus and then decided to pursue a life of un-love? (BTW…that’s not a question directed at you necessarily, just something to carry the conversation along!)
While I totally affirm salvation by grace through faith, where is the balance with grace (God’s unmerrited favor toward us humans because of Jesus) and works (purposeful acts of loving God and others)?
And John…”I think that a genuine embrace of the gospel of Jesus Christ integrates and reconciles our own internal comparmentalizations ” Brilliant 🙂 But I wonder if it’s possible to become un-integrated post Jesus embrace?? Maybe that’s what happened with Judas…or maybe he never really embraced Jesus and his Way, which would preclude an integration to begin with…
Anyway, these thoughts on the fundementals of salvation and how you get “in” (bad way of putting it, I know…) have been rolling around in my noggin, so reviving this post from the bottom of the heap corresponds with some new thoughts. Thanks for listening (or, I guess, reading) and if you have more thoughts on grace and works and some of these thoughts on following Jesus, that would be great!
Hi Jeremy
To answer your question, yes I am from Africa. South Africa in fact.
Anyway, back to the conversation. I would like to comment on the question of what you would do with someone who has become unloving, even after accepting Jesus. My first and only thought, would be to keep loving them.
I recently read a book by Francine Rivers, called As Sure as the Dawn. In it, a young lady falls in love with the man whose illegitimate child she adopted. They travel together to his homeland, and along the way, he accepts Jesus as his Saviour through her actions, and takes her as his wife. This however, did not immediately change who he was (a barbarian) and he still had a lot of anger in him.
As with any new Christian, he tried hammering the Good News into his tribe members…but quite violently so. In the end, he turned away from his wife, and nearly sleeps with the beautiful priestess in the village. Only once he realizes that his wife still loves him and God unconditionally, does he turn back and ask for forgiveness for what he had done.
My point is, that in this book, as with many people out there, the ones who turn away from God, normally only come back when they realise how much they are loved, by God or by others who believe in God.
WOW Arkwife…your thoughts on loving the unloving were great and convicting! So often my knee-jerk reaction to stupid Christians who un-love (I made that verb up, btw!) is to write them off, rather than love them back into the Love Way of Jesus.
Great insight, one that I honestly (and sheepishly!) didn’t think of immediately…
-jeremy
ps-glad to have a sister from the South joining in the coversation…maybe you could guest post some fresh, clear insights on a South African way of looking at Christian spirituality sometime?